Charles Ingledew

Ryle Dwyer in Tans, Terror and Troubles, quotes in this chronology the accidental death of Temporary Cadet Charles "Englesden". The Irish GRO has his death as "Engleden" and the RIC roll has an "Ingledew" as the closest recruit that I could find. Of these 3 possible names, only Charles Ingledew is findable in censuses, and as it turns out is the man who was "accidentally shot" in Listowel in January 1921. He had joined the ADRIC as a Temp. Constable in the Drivers and Veterans Division of ADRIC in Nov 1920 as a driver, and left some 2 months later. So when he was shot he had been out of the RIC for a few weeks and was both and ex-soldier and an ex-policeman.

It is impossible to say if the shooting was an accident or suicide. He pulled out a gun, which he should not have had, in a pub in Listowel, Kerry, while drinking with 2 other policemen. The pub was dark, his gun went off, and when his companions switched on the lights, Ingledew was lying on the floor, shot with a single shot to his head from his own gun.

It is difficult to see if it is connected, but DI O'Sullivan of RIC was murdered in Listowel on Thurs 20 Jan 1921. On Sun 23 Jan, the Auxiliaries had a big round up of local men, and activities continued through the next week. This shooting took place on Jan 29th. Or it could be that he had lost his job as a ADRIC driver. It is a little odd that he was still in Listowel, 2 weeks after he left the force, and had not returned home to Scotland.

So this is his life:-

1898 Jun 25. Born in Inverness. Thomas Charles Ingledew. Son of Thomas Charles and Mary Ingledew. His father was a Sgt Instructor of Musketry in Seaforth Highlanders. His father married Mary Wright 18 Oct 1888 in Edinburgh

Service Records for no.1075 Sergeant Thomas Charles Ingledew, Seaforth Highlanders, show that he served 1884 to 1909 (Born Lechlade, Gloucestershire), and had a son Charles born 25 June 1898. He was seving with the 3rd Battalion at this time. The 3rd Battalion was located in Dingwall outside Inverness in 1898.

1901 census living at North West Corner Of Parish Of Ardersier, Inverness (transcribed as Ingledue)

1911 living at Saltbrow, Rosskeen, just north of Inverness

1914/1918 War. He enlisted, as we know he was given to be an "ex-soldier". The most likely Medal Card for Charles Ingledew is below since he served in the R.A.S.C. Motor Transport so was most likely trained as a driver.

1920 Nov 10. Joined the RIC under the name Charles Ingledew, no. 75393. He was a  Temporary Constable (not Cadet) and is taken on as a driver. He is noted as an ex-soldier

1921 Jan 6. He received a 'Punishment' fine of £1. He probably left the force after this as he was an "ex-constable" by the time he was shot 3 weeks later.

1921 Jan 29 Saturday. Accidentally killed. Recorded in Irish GRO as Charles Engleden, age 24. He shot himself in Hannan's Public House at 8.30PM. He was drinking with 2 RIC men Constable Andrew McBride and Constable Sheridan Gallagher. By now Ingledew had left the police and should not have had a revolver. He produced his service revolver in the pub and said "What would the head (constable) say if he could see me with this" The pub was in semi-darkness and Constable McBride did not see what happened, but there was a shot in the semi-darkness. McBride put on the light and saw Ingledew lying on the ground with the revolver beside him. The doctor was called but Ingledew died 5 hours later.

A military Court of Enquiry in lieu of inquest finds he accidentally shot himself. It could well have been suicide but the court has been kind as they often were in such cases.

His Father returned the Army in 1914 at the start of the war aged 48. no. 3/7984 Company Sergeant Major Thomas Charles Ingledew 9th Service Battalion Seaforth Highlanders. Enlisted 28 Sept 1914 and discharged 20 Nov 1914. Gives his address as Ord Villa, Saltbrow, Invergordon, and occupation as Marine Motor Engineer. He died in 1948 aged 81

I do not think that this email is our man above, but I add it in case anyone recognises the said Christopher

I have been trying to track my husband's ancestors, and in the process was led to the story of Charles Ingledew who I have reason to believe, based on the age in some documents is a great Uncle of my husband whose name was in fact really named, Christopher. This ancestor was born in Cork in 1898/9 though his parents resided in Belfast. His mother Mary Ellen was originally from Cork and returned there to give birth.to the two youngest ones, George and Christopher 1898/99. His Father, John Charles Ingledew came to Ireland as a British Soldier and was stationed at Ballyhackamore (oddly enough listed as a catholic and unmarried, even after the birth of his first son John Charles in 1893 though the census records indicate otherwise. John Charles (2)died in 1918 during a battle at Wulverghem (serving with the 1st Irish Fusiliers. I am of the belief that Christopher may have taken his brother's name and identity as an ex -soldier in order to serve in ADRIC. (HIs other older brother George, the second child, also served under the auspices of the British Army and would have been overseas at the time). Two things lead me to believe that this might have been Christopher , as his disappearance from our family history has been shrouded in secrecy and the age in some of the documents are more consistent with the age that he was at the time of death (22 in some reports, not 24). The suicide or implication thereof at the time would have been buried under the proverbial carpet, Also the fact that they were Catholic loyalists which may have been shameful in their social groups . I recall my father in law alluding to some mental illness, but never quite saying (he was a staunch Roman Catholic)...I don't think he knew. I only have photographs of Christopher as an infant . I do know that my father in law was ostracized as a child when he briefly schooled in Dublin...perhaps family stories, perhaps his "otherness" (he spent his early childhood in Scotland and Malta (1930's), they later moved to England

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